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		<title>By: Non-Human tool users (Wired) &#8211; Christiane Bailey</title>
		<link>http://primatology.net/2007/02/22/savanna-chimpanzees-hunt-with-tools/#comment-15167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Non-Human tool users (Wired) &#8211; Christiane Bailey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] clubs. Since Jane Goodall’s pioneering observations, chimpanzees have been observed using sticks to spear bush babies, smashing nuts open with stones (which, apparently, they’ve done for thousands of years) and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Novel Tool-Use observed in a wild Chimpanzee from Bossou, Guinea &#171; Primatology.net</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Novel Tool-Use observed in a wild Chimpanzee from Bossou, Guinea &#171; Primatology.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] wild chimps use tools, particularly using rocks to crack nuts open, and using twigs and sticks to fish or dip for ants. Ever so recently, we read and saw a Fongoli chimp hunt with a makeshift spear. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wild chimps use tools, particularly using rocks to crack nuts open, and using twigs and sticks to fish or dip for ants. Ever so recently, we read and saw a Fongoli chimp hunt with a makeshift spear. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frans Lanting on the Fongoli Spear Hunting Chimps &#171; Primatology.net</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frans Lanting on the Fongoli Spear Hunting Chimps &#171; Primatology.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to hunt with spears. Jill Pruetz actually was the one to see this behavior and I covered this news last year. I was a bit skeptical, but it seems like Lanting and Pruetz were able to observe this [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to hunt with spears. Jill Pruetz actually was the one to see this behavior and I covered this news last year. I was a bit skeptical, but it seems like Lanting and Pruetz were able to observe this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MatildaZQ</title>
		<link>http://primatology.net/2007/02/22/savanna-chimpanzees-hunt-with-tools/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MatildaZQ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kambiz:

Your points are well taken. Any modeling of early hominid behavior based on extant species is loaded with pitfalls. As you say, their social and ecological context is different, and, of course, they&#039;ve been doing their own evolving for (at least) 4 million years.  

However, chimps and bonobos are our best behavioral models for early hominids and are often used as such. Also, although this spear-using behavior is obviously highly ecologically influenced, if we accept it as a genuinely cultural behavior, then there is no reason that we should view it as entirely ecologically determined, just as we don&#039;t take human cultural behaviors to be simple products of environment. 

In any case, I wasn&#039;t suggesting that this behavior was literally contiguous through time with ancestral populations, more that it speaks to the ingenuity and capacity for innovation in hominoid intelligence and the contexts in which we might have been experimenting for some time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kambiz:</p>
<p>Your points are well taken. Any modeling of early hominid behavior based on extant species is loaded with pitfalls. As you say, their social and ecological context is different, and, of course, they&#8217;ve been doing their own evolving for (at least) 4 million years.  </p>
<p>However, chimps and bonobos are our best behavioral models for early hominids and are often used as such. Also, although this spear-using behavior is obviously highly ecologically influenced, if we accept it as a genuinely cultural behavior, then there is no reason that we should view it as entirely ecologically determined, just as we don&#8217;t take human cultural behaviors to be simple products of environment. </p>
<p>In any case, I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that this behavior was literally contiguous through time with ancestral populations, more that it speaks to the ingenuity and capacity for innovation in hominoid intelligence and the contexts in which we might have been experimenting for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Greenhill</title>
		<link>http://primatology.net/2007/02/22/savanna-chimpanzees-hunt-with-tools/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Greenhill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it&#039;s not as exciting as the pop. sci reports make out. IMO, this behavior is very similar to the termite-fishing that we&#039;ve known about for years. 

However, I do think there are two really interesting aspects of this:

First - it appears to be a rather detailed sequence of actions to build the tool. This is more impressive than the tool behavior that we&#039;ve seen before, but nowhere near as cool as New Caledonian Crows [1].

Second - the fact that it&#039;s only been seen in a very small subset of the population suggests that it&#039;s a recently invented cultural behavior. We&#039;ve seen this happen before in food washing behavior in Japanese Macaques [2] and a few others.


--Simon

[1] http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/crows/
[2] http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/02/0206_040206_tvmacaques.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s not as exciting as the pop. sci reports make out. IMO, this behavior is very similar to the termite-fishing that we&#8217;ve known about for years. </p>
<p>However, I do think there are two really interesting aspects of this:</p>
<p>First &#8211; it appears to be a rather detailed sequence of actions to build the tool. This is more impressive than the tool behavior that we&#8217;ve seen before, but nowhere near as cool as New Caledonian Crows [1].</p>
<p>Second &#8211; the fact that it&#8217;s only been seen in a very small subset of the population suggests that it&#8217;s a recently invented cultural behavior. We&#8217;ve seen this happen before in food washing behavior in Japanese Macaques [2] and a few others.</p>
<p>&#8211;Simon</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/crows/" rel="nofollow">http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/crows/</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/02/0206_040206_tvmacaques.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/02/0206_040206_tvmacaques.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: One more word on, and a video of, chimps hunting with spears &#171; Primatology.org</title>
		<link>http://primatology.net/2007/02/22/savanna-chimpanzees-hunt-with-tools/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[One more word on, and a video of, chimps hunting with spears &#171; Primatology.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Little Rock Zoo&#8217;s gorilla family, Sekani, Fossey &#38; Mosi playing &#171; Primatology.org</title>
		<link>http://primatology.net/2007/02/22/savanna-chimpanzees-hunt-with-tools/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Little Rock Zoo&#8217;s gorilla family, Sekani, Fossey &#38; Mosi playing &#171; Primatology.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Comments Alright, I&#8217;m assuming that if I need a break from our recent discussions on chimps using spears, stress &amp; primate physiology, ethics, and new species then so do you. So, to break the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Kambiz</title>
		<link>http://primatology.net/2007/02/22/savanna-chimpanzees-hunt-with-tools/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kambiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matilda, &lt;a href=&quot;http://primatology.org/2007/02/10/male-violence-towards-female-chimpanzees-in-regards-to-promiscuity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chimpanzees live in a completely different context&lt;/a&gt;, from hominids. It&#039;s hard to draw tangents in behavior throughout evolutionary time. 

For example, which chimps are using them doesn&#039;t pan out entirely to all of hominid evolution. Sub-populations of chimps have completely different mannerisms and behaviors from others, so there&#039;s no consistency to say this happened in subsequent hominids... but I won&#039;t rule out the case that hominids that hunted together and cooperated could have been selected for.

That said, I agree this is an interesting study for the matters you laid out but I think it&#039;s plagued with looking for a adaptation in a related species, which is wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matilda, <a href="http://primatology.org/2007/02/10/male-violence-towards-female-chimpanzees-in-regards-to-promiscuity/" rel="nofollow">chimpanzees live in a completely different context</a>, from hominids. It&#8217;s hard to draw tangents in behavior throughout evolutionary time. </p>
<p>For example, which chimps are using them doesn&#8217;t pan out entirely to all of hominid evolution. Sub-populations of chimps have completely different mannerisms and behaviors from others, so there&#8217;s no consistency to say this happened in subsequent hominids&#8230; but I won&#8217;t rule out the case that hominids that hunted together and cooperated could have been selected for.</p>
<p>That said, I agree this is an interesting study for the matters you laid out but I think it&#8217;s plagued with looking for a adaptation in a related species, which is wrong.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MatildaZQ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MatildaZQ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried to comment on your first post, but I seem to have screwed something up. I disagree that the Preutz and Bertolani paper is just adding to our existing knowledge of chimp tool use. I blogged it (the advance online publicaiton of the article, not just the news story) &lt;a href=&quot;http://telecommuniculturey.blogspot.com/2007/02/im-stabby-mcspear-put-me-in-your-tasty.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.    Who&#039;s using them, how they&#039;re using them, and what they&#039;re making all add to that, but it also has implications for how hominids might have first started using tools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to comment on your first post, but I seem to have screwed something up. I disagree that the Preutz and Bertolani paper is just adding to our existing knowledge of chimp tool use. I blogged it (the advance online publicaiton of the article, not just the news story) <a href="http://telecommuniculturey.blogspot.com/2007/02/im-stabby-mcspear-put-me-in-your-tasty.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.    Who&#8217;s using them, how they&#8217;re using them, and what they&#8217;re making all add to that, but it also has implications for how hominids might have first started using tools.</p>
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